[Guide] How Negotiator (Pro) and Treasure Hunter Works

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  1. FishInTheDark

    FishInTheDark Forum Event Manager Staff Member

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    Rounding is done for TH drops too? I guess it would be useless to bring THs to farm items that have 1% drops then.
     
  2. frznnguyen

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    Correct. In fact, as far as farming items with 1% drop rate concerns, it is not until you bring 4 TH does it actually make a difference, according to what Tharos said here:
     
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  3. Laura Lita

    Laura Lita Just a Moderator Staff Member

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    I took the liberty of editing in additional information on Treasure Hunter regarding how non-integer values round down and how Daily Bonus effects are calculated after Treasure Hunter bonuses, and matching it to Kivanc's format. If there's anything I'm missing, please let me know.
     
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    Did you update the info after the 2.7 update? I don't see any mention of the rounding logic (which is now one digit better than initially)
     
  5. FishInTheDark

    FishInTheDark Forum Event Manager Staff Member

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    Kivanc has been inactive for a while. Maybe one of the mods can do it?
     
  6. Laura Lita

    Laura Lita Just a Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, I edited that part out
     
  7. TriggerHurt

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    In the interest of science, and for those who want a guaranteed boss monster drop with only one neg pro, it is now possible if you have A'misandra Lambda and her extend chain : by using a power point as a node you can get 3 neg pro activations.
    Not easy to pull off, but worth it!
     

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  8. Tharos

    Tharos The Source Explorer

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    Since 2.9 update (I will put that in the 2.9 post soon), the capture rate bonus from Negotiator is limited. You can't have more than 18.
    So in the formula, if you have 2 pro Negotiator (bonus 8) , one Negotiator (bonus 2) and the new Negotiator buddy (bonus 1), you won't have the expected:
    base drop rate * ( 1 + 8 + 8 + 2 + 1)
    but it will be limited to
    base drop rate * ( 1 + 8 + 8 + 2)

    So a double pro negociator and a simple negociator, with a single activation. Nothing more.
     
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  9. Qwen

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    Or either Yukken (or Riken)
    + Sam^
    + 6 otomos buddy TH

    or

    Sam^
    + Sam
    + 4 buddy

    Well i have nothing.
     
  10. Laura Lita

    Laura Lita Just a Moderator Staff Member

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    I've added a small sentence under the capture calculation to reflect the change.
     
  11. Chev4

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    I cannot believe MW "fix" negotiator; I can't tell you how much energy I wasted trying to have 3 pro neg, now my 70% yukken (SBed from energy) is absolutely useless :bigtears:

    That means TH might eventually be "fix":nailbiting:
     
  12. Tharos

    Tharos The Source Explorer

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    My bad... It's 18, not 16. I will update my post with the correct value :)
     
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  13. Qwen

    Qwen Active Member

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    But...
    Negotiator buddy give x1 ?
    So it's pointless to get only one Nego Budd ?...

    How farm it on BoT, when S buddies are pretty hard to caught!?
     

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