Regarding Warrior Pincer Boost and Spellbalde Chain Boost.

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  1. lynx

    lynx Well-Known Member

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    I couldn't find information on how much damage boost we'd get from warriors and spellbaldes, so I did some quick tests in TQ.

    Warrior Pincer Boost (only warriors and mages are in chains)
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    Since warriors will immediately get damage boost on their first turn, so I used Valut.r0n (mage) as reference for base damage. Valut.r0n deals physical damage with the same multiplier as warrior but without any damage boost.
    They are all equipped with the same equipments.
    Code:
    Tested on Red Drake (156 DEF)
    
    1st Charge
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir 1: 465, Fenrir 2: 469, Valut.r0n: 423
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir 1: 614 (Mega), 1279 (Giga), Fenrir 2: 651 (Mega), 1228 (Giga), Valut.r0n: 537 (Mega), 531 (Mega)
    
    2nd Charge
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir 1: 732, Fenrir 2: 740, Valut.r0n: 448
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir 1: 1037 (Mega), 2111 (Giga), Fenrir 2: 1011 (Mega), 2082 (Giga), Valut.r0n: 510 (Mega), 507 (Mega)
    
    3rd Charge
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir 1: 1166, Fenrir 2: 1116, Valut.r0n: 430
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir 1: 1610 (Mega), 3034 (Giga), Fenrir 2: 1569 (Mega), 3223 (Giga), Valut.r0n: 507 (Mega), 514 (Mega)
    
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    Tested on Blue Drake (269 DEF)
    
    1st Charge
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir 1: 330, Fenrir 2: 307, Valut.r0n: 296
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir 1: 412 (Mega), 870 (Giga), Fenrir 2: 416 (Mega), 885 (Giga), Valut.r0n: 349 (Mega), 364 (Mega)
    
    2nd Charge
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir 1: 526, Fenrir 2: 506, Valut.r0n: 293
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir 1: 714 (Mega), 1417 (Giga), Fenrir 2: 716 (Mega), 1390 (Giga), Valut.r0n: 348 (Mega), 366 (Mega)
    
    3rd Charge
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir 1: 806, Fenrir 2: 745, Valut.r0n: 294
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir 1: 1044 (Mega), 2245 (Giga), Fenrir 2: 1097 (Mega), 2130 (Giga), Valut.r0n: 344 (Mega), 367 (Mega)
    There are always some variations in damage output but I feel like these are good enough estimates:
    1st Charge Damage Boost: ~1.2x
    2nd Charge Damage Boost: ~2x
    3rd Charge Damage Boost: ~3x

    Spellblade Chain Boost
    All of these are tested on Red Drake (156 DEF)
    Code:
    Only Warrior
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir: 396
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir: 536 (Mega), 1012 (Giga)
    
    Warrior + Spellblade
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir: 448
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir: 634 (Mega), 1249 (Giga)
    
    Warrior + Spellblade + Mage
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir: 767
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir: 1020 (Mega), 2125 (Giga)
    
    Warrior + Spellblade + Mage + Healer
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir: 1135
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir: 1540 (Mega), 3228 (Giga)
    
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    Only Mage
    Normal Attacks      Valut.r0n: 379
    Skill Attacks       Valut.r0n: 509 (Mega), 524 (Mega)
    
    Mage + Spellblade
    Normal Attacks      Valut.r0n: 446
    Skill Attacks       Valut.r0n: 640 (Mega), 620 (Mega)
    
    Mage + Spellblade + Warrior
    Normal Attacks      Valut.r0n: 738
    Skill Attacks       Valut.r0n: 1029 (Mega), 1067 (Mega)
    
    Mage + Spellblade + Warrior + Healer
    Normal Attacks      Valut.r0n: 1127
    Skill Attacks       Valut.r0n: 1640 (Mega), 1592 (Mega)
    
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    Only Spellblade
    Normal Attacks      Zumba: 1313
    Skill Attacks       Zumba: 3175 (Giga-Phy), 96 (Giga-Mag)
    
    Spellblade + Warrior
    Normal Attacks      Zumba: 1574
    Skill Attacks       Zumba: 3949 (Giga-Phy), 119 (Giga-Mag)
    
    Spellblade + Warrior + Mage
    Normal Attacks      Zumba: 2599
    Skill Attacks       Zumba: 6480 (Giga-Phy), 198 (Giga-Mag)
    
    Spellblade + Warrior + Mage + Healer
    Normal Attacks      Zumba: 3992
    Skill Attacks       Zumba: 9635 (Giga-Phy), 295 (Giga-Mag)
    It looks like Spellblade also gives the same damage boost as Warrior.
    Spellblade + 1 Job: ~1.2x
    Spellblade + 2 Jobs: ~2x
    Spellblade + 3 Jobs: ~3x

    However, when I tried to do both warrior and spellblade boosts, damage outputs I got were not as high as I expected (I expected 6x damage).
    Code:
    1st Charged Warrior + Spellblade + Mage
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir: 810
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir: 1179 (Mega), 2251 (Giga)
    
    2nd Charged Warrior + Spellblade + Mage
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir: 1150
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir: 1490 (Mega), 3170 (Giga)
    
    3rd Charged Warrior + Spellblade + Mage
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir: 1579
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir: 2124 (Mega), 4152 (Giga)
    
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    1st Charged Warrior + Spellblade + Mage + Healer
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir: 1215
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir: 1626 (Mega), 3206 (Giga)
    
    2nd Charged Warrior + Spellblade + Mage + Healer
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir: 1482
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir: 2084 (Mega), 3970 (Giga)
    
    3rd Charged Warrior + Spellblade + Mage + Healer
    Normal Attacks      Fenrir: 1881
    Skill Attacks       Fenrir: 2641 (Mega), 4961 (Giga)
    Fully charged warrior with every jobs in chain only deals ~5x damage.

    EDIT: To make it easier to see damage boost,
    Code:
    Base damage without any extra boost: 507-537
    
    Warrior Pincer Boost - 1st Charge:     614   (~1.2x)
    Warrior Pincer Boost - 2nd Charge:   1,037   (~2x)
    Warrior Pincer Boost - 3rd Charge:   1,610   (~3x)
    
    Spellblade Chain Boost - 2 Jobs:       634   (~1.2x)
    Spellblade Chain Boost - 3 Jobs:     1,020   (~2x)
    Spellblade Chain Boost - 4 Jobs:     1,540   (~3x)
    
    1st Charge + 3 Jobs:                 1,179   (~2.2x)
    2nd Charge + 3 Jobs:                 1,490   (~3x)
    3rd Charge + 3 Jobs:                 2,124   (~4x)
    
    1st Charge + 4 Jobs:                 1,626   (~3.2)
    2nd Charge + 4 Jobs:                 2,084   (~4x)
    3rd Charge + 4 Jobs:                 2,641   (~5x)
     
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2018
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  2. Silver Mitsuki

    Silver Mitsuki The Italian Mod Staff Member

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    First of all, great job ad always lynx :goodjob:

    Second, as I don't play TB2 actively I have a question related to the Warriors buff: I saw that pincering a 1x1 enemy without using 2 warriors make the buff they stacked on the previous turns reset, does this happen on 2x2 enemies as well? I mean, can I double pincer a boss and stack "one charge" of buff on all 4 the warriors involved or on 2 of them when using 2 warriors and 2 [other type] units, or only the last 2 warriors used to pincer the boss "save" their buff for the next turn?

    In case the question isn't very clear...
    C XX D
    A XX B

    In other words, considering that A and B attack before C and D:
    • if they are ALL Warriors, after the double pincer attack do they all have a +1 charge, or only C and D do?
    • if A and B are both Warriors, but C and D aren't (e.g. 1 Warrior and 1 Spellblade, or both of them are Healers), do A and B keep their buff on the next turn?
    "only" xD

    Still, these are some impressive numbers: this is the kind of things I expect from a game, can't wait for some challenging content that will require us to use actually some real strategy :3
     
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  3. lynx

    lynx Well-Known Member

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    All of them will get +1 charge.

    Yes, A and B will get +1 buff or keep their buff if they are already fully charged.

    Warrior buff will activate even before normal attack starts. That means every pairs of warriors that make pincer will get buff. Even when enemies die before warriors get to attack, they'll still get buff.
     
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  4. Todd

    Todd Well-Known Member

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    It’s a big buff

    We will see if we ever get content worthy of all this damage
     

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